Lineage Well said! Lineage issues, to this outsider, has always seemed self-deceptively bizarre. They are only one item in the check-and-balance system of any group. And like any item, it is highly susceptible to abuse and delusion. You spell that all out very well. Damn, back to individual responsibility -- where is my pacifier? But curious how much Lama's for apprentices demand change or drop their students: -- Do they tell them they should change jobs, get divorced, get married, stop certain hobbies, give money away, drop friends or family, dress differently, etc. etc. DId I miss it? Maybe it is later in this blog -- if so, perhaps link to it: "How Lamas get in your face". For since Lama training (not found in many other traditions) is so central to this group, I would think concrete specifics would be helpful on this sort of site. Just like you gave specifics the central practice of apprentice-retreats (except for the buried item on nudity) which was immensely helpful.