Yeah, it sounds Yeah, it sounds dangerous. And no one has shown us that what is to be gained is worth that sort of risk. If peaceful slow traditions like the Dalai Lamas, Thich Nhat hahn and others yield fine healthy people, what proof that such risks are valuable. What measure. All this couples with my earlier comments where I see in Aro gradual financial increased commitment, more time commitment, more secret teachings and re-enforcement of empowerment. And then after all that investment, you are told it is time to take the big risk. Risk sanity. Risk relationships, Risk jobs. Thich Nhat Hahn's Buddhism isn't asking that -- none of that. And you seem to realize that by pointing at the ugly stuff that results. Another enthusiastic commentor on this site said he went into deep psychosis for a few years and barely emerged. And his pressured evangelism of Dzogchen did not make it seem like lots more were gained than more gentle Buddhisms. A sane person would want a bit more evidence of outcome, you would think.